Comments on: Church Bans Autistic Boy From Mass – For Being Autistic http://www.aspieweb.net/church-bans-autistic-boy-from-mass-for-being-autistic/ The Aspergers And Autism Web Thu, 09 Feb 2012 03:08:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Aaron http://www.aspieweb.net/church-bans-autistic-boy-from-mass-for-being-autistic/#comment-17328 Aaron Sat, 04 Jun 2011 02:54:45 +0000 http://www.aspieweb.net/?p=28#comment-17328 Ok. I understand these people have a birth defect. That gives them to fucking right to act in ways like that. Church is a formal place. If you can't act formal, then just stay home. They have shows that they can watch. Don't bring that nonsense into God's house. Or they can record the mass and he can watch and/or interact with the video. Ok. I understand these people have a birth defect. That gives them to fucking right to act in ways like that. Church is a formal place. If you can’t act formal, then just stay home. They have shows that they can watch. Don’t bring that nonsense into God’s house. Or they can record the mass and he can watch and/or interact with the video.

]]> By: parker92 http://www.aspieweb.net/church-bans-autistic-boy-from-mass-for-being-autistic/#comment-239 parker92 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 01:03:58 +0000 http://www.aspieweb.net/?p=28#comment-239 I can never quite understand how people feel so justified to be so ignorant.Unfortunately this isn't going to change.People feel intimadated by what they don't understand and sometimes it is even worse when they think they do.We have an autistic son. We've been asked to leave places the most unbelieveable one was the emergency room, my husband had been taken by ambulance because they thought he had a stroke and they made my son and I leave. But if my church asked me to leave I would go gladly because God isn't there anyways!!!!!! I can never quite understand how people feel so justified to be so ignorant.Unfortunately this isn’t going to change.People feel intimadated by what they don’t understand and sometimes it is even worse when they think they do.We have an autistic son. We’ve been asked to leave places the most unbelieveable one was the emergency room, my husband had been taken by ambulance because they thought he had a stroke and they made my son and I leave. But if my church asked me to leave I would go gladly because God isn’t there anyways!!!!!!

]]> By: Sadderbutwisergirl http://www.aspieweb.net/church-bans-autistic-boy-from-mass-for-being-autistic/#comment-116 Sadderbutwisergirl Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:42:21 +0000 http://www.aspieweb.net/?p=28#comment-116 Shame on that pastor for being so intolerant! The churchgoers should take the time to understand Adam instead of ostracizing him! I, to some measure, can understand the exchange student being upset about Adam pulling her on his lap by the thighs/buttocks. I have a brother who likes to squeeze people and sometimes he squeezes my boobs... But I know that he isn't trying to molest me on purpose, and I can easily direct his hands to some other place when he wants to squeeze me. Likewise, the girl should take the time to understand Adam. Also, if she doesn't want to be grabbed by the thighs or butt, maybe she should randomly sit on his lap herself to avoid him grabbing her or direct his hands to her waist. Shame on that pastor for being so intolerant! The churchgoers should take the time to understand Adam instead of ostracizing him! I, to some measure, can understand the exchange student being upset about Adam pulling her on his lap by the thighs/buttocks. I have a brother who likes to squeeze people and sometimes he squeezes my boobs… But I know that he isn’t trying to molest me on purpose, and I can easily direct his hands to some other place when he wants to squeeze me. Likewise, the girl should take the time to understand Adam. Also, if she doesn’t want to be grabbed by the thighs or butt, maybe she should randomly sit on his lap herself to avoid him grabbing her or direct his hands to her waist.

]]> By: wsmac http://www.aspieweb.net/church-bans-autistic-boy-from-mass-for-being-autistic/#comment-92 wsmac Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:24:39 +0000 http://www.aspieweb.net/?p=28#comment-92 Redtown, I wonder if you are speaking from the position of being in that particular church and witnessing these things? If not, then you do not seem to understand, nor accept, the parent's explanations. They sit in the crying room or in the back pews... I have heard plenty of babies and children making noises that would interrupt mass, and these were children not known to have Autism. There seems to be disagreement between the two parties as to what actually happened with the 'knocking over' or 'brushing against' the parishoner. You have decided to believe the church spokesperson rather than the parents... based on what? Same thing with the 'spitting' and 'urinating'. Two differing explanations. I wonder why you have chosen to believe the church spokesperson rather than the parents? How many of the elderly and not-so-elderly are wearing depends and urinating during the service as well? I saw nothing that mentions the boy urinating ON the pews or floor. I work in the medical field and see enough adults who come into the hospital with retention issues. If you took the time, as the church should do also, to understand the issues of Autism and the benefits of pressure applied to the body of some autistic persons, I would hope you could appreciate the parent's explanation about the restraints and sitting on their son. Bringing up TB is worthless since you are trying to argue two completely different issues as the same. Again, if you go to this church and have personally witnessed these events, then I could give more credence to your words. Without that experience though, you are supporting the church based upon your own ignorance. Redtown, I wonder if you are speaking from the position of being in that particular church and witnessing these things?

If not, then you do not seem to understand, nor accept, the parent’s explanations.
They sit in the crying room or in the back pews… I have heard plenty of babies and children making noises that would interrupt mass, and these were children not known to have Autism.

There seems to be disagreement between the two parties as to what actually happened with the ‘knocking over’ or ‘brushing against’ the parishoner. You have decided to believe the church spokesperson rather than the parents… based on what?

Same thing with the ‘spitting’ and ‘urinating’.
Two differing explanations. I wonder why you have chosen to believe the church spokesperson rather than the parents?

How many of the elderly and not-so-elderly are wearing depends and urinating during the service as well?
I saw nothing that mentions the boy urinating ON the pews or floor. I work in the medical field and see enough adults who come into the hospital with retention issues.

If you took the time, as the church should do also, to understand the issues of Autism and the benefits of pressure applied to the body of some autistic persons, I would hope you could appreciate the parent’s explanation about the restraints and sitting on their son.

Bringing up TB is worthless since you are trying to argue two completely different issues as the same.

Again, if you go to this church and have personally witnessed these events, then I could give more credence to your words.
Without that experience though, you are supporting the church based upon your own ignorance.

]]> By: Redtown http://www.aspieweb.net/church-bans-autistic-boy-from-mass-for-being-autistic/#comment-24 Redtown Tue, 20 May 2008 13:31:27 +0000 http://www.aspieweb.net/?p=28#comment-24 This isn't a kid just making a few noises. According to AP, “Adam struck a child during mass, nearly knocks elderly parishioners over…, spits and sometimes urinates in church and fights when he is being restrained. He also… assaulted a girl by pulling her onto his lap.” When he started two cars in the parking lot, “people could have been injured or killed.” The church has tried to accommodate, but the behavior has only become more dangerous. It’s not the boy’s fault, but his own parents cannot always control him. I doubt that even Jesus would condone the enabling of such dangerous and disruptive behavior -- posing great risks to others and self -- in the name of “acceptance”. This is sloppy agape. Someone can be seriously injured. The pastor has definite moral and legal responsibilities to protect everyone from harm. If some child or elderly person were injured, there would be a major lawsuit. “I was practicing inclusion” would not be a defense for reckless endangerment. This isn't general discrimination against all handicapped or autistic people. This is a case of a particular individual with dangerously disruptive behavior. There is such a thing as rational discrimination; Adam will never be allowed to drive either. In a perfect world, everyone would be welcomed everywhere. But if I had a highly communicable disease, say TB, I’d have no right to mingle in large crowds where I posed a serious threat. And I think Jesus would agree, notwithstanding that he loved everyone. My right to inclusion ends where your rights to safety begin. Is it unreasonable to ask Adam’s parents to accommodate everyone else’s rights to public safety? This isn’t a kid just making a few noises. According to AP, “Adam struck a child during mass, nearly knocks elderly parishioners over…, spits and sometimes urinates in church and fights when he is being restrained. He also… assaulted a girl by pulling her onto his lap.” When he started two cars in the parking lot, “people could have been injured or killed.”

The church has tried to accommodate, but the behavior has only become more dangerous. It’s not the boy’s fault, but his own parents cannot always control him.

I doubt that even Jesus would condone the enabling of such dangerous and disruptive behavior — posing great risks to others and self — in the name of “acceptance”. This is sloppy agape.

Someone can be seriously injured. The pastor has definite moral and legal responsibilities to protect everyone from harm. If some child or elderly person were injured, there would be a major lawsuit. “I was practicing inclusion” would not be a defense for reckless endangerment.

This isn’t general discrimination against all handicapped or autistic people. This is a case of a particular individual with dangerously disruptive behavior. There is such a thing as rational discrimination; Adam will never be allowed to drive either.

In a perfect world, everyone would be welcomed everywhere. But if I had a highly communicable disease, say TB, I’d have no right to mingle in large crowds where I posed a serious threat. And I think Jesus would agree, notwithstanding that he loved everyone.

My right to inclusion ends where your rights to safety begin. Is it unreasonable to ask Adam’s parents to accommodate everyone else’s rights to public safety?

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