Friendship Difficulties

by admin on July 2, 2009

in Aspergers Living

As I am looking at my friendships and how my friends are responding to me – I am realizing how much Aspergers Syndrome has effected my friendships and relationships.

I Have A Hard Time

I have a hard time with friendships, and I think a lot of it can be attributed to Aspergers Syndrome.  Everyone else naturally learns what being a friend is all about, for me its something I need to be taught – so I often mimic behaviors I have seen around me, or on TV.  I didn’t grow up in the best environment, and lets just say TV is not the best thing to mimic as its always so far from reality (even more so if your watching fox news).

People around me have a hard time coping with me, because they don’t know how to be a friend to someone like me.  Its hard for me to describe what these difficulties are, because to me I am normal, because this is all I know.  I think often times people are hoping I will realize what I’m doing is not good for friendships, but they don’t realise I don’t get friendships.  I don’t understand how to be a good friend – and that often gets overwhelming trying to figure it out.

How To Get Out

Dr. Gregory House

Dr. Gregory House

There is a television show I watch often called House.  It starts an obnoxious and rude doctor, who is believed to have Aspergers Syndrome (yes its even stated in the show).  Would it surprise you to think that I don’t think hes obnoxious and rude?  I think House’s character is brilliant, and very logical.  He does what he has to do to save his patients, and his patients are always the top priority to him.   Yet many people consider him an asshole.  What people don’t realize is that because he has Aspergers if he tried to conform to the social norms that society sets out it would take most of his time – instead of saving lives.  On a date Dr. House once said:

This is a mistake. I don’t know how to have casual conversation. You think you’re talking about one thing, and either you are and it’s incredibly boring, or you’re not because it’s subtext and you need a decoder ring

Now unlike House, I desire friendships and I am starting to realize that I’m having trouble with my ‘decoder ring’ which has resulted in me digging myself a hole.  Right now my hole is pretty deep, and I’m pretty sure I’m just about to bust through into China.  Now that I’m in this hole I get a lot more upset, and angry because it seems everyone just looks at the hole and walks on.  As my hole gets bigger more people avoid it, and push dirt into it trying to help me out. In another brilliant statement House said:

You know it’s all nice when people start to dig these holes, but then they start to live in these holes and get angry when someone pushes dirt into those holes. Come out of your holes people!!!

Now that would be all nice and great, except I don’t know how to get out of this hole. I need a map, a ladder, a backhoe or something to get me out.  I need to figure out how to be a friend.

Do you think its capable to have good friends and good relationships with Aspergers?  Have you had good friendships or Good relationships with Aspergers?  Share your story!

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1 Noctivagus July 2, 2009 at 1:27 pm

Of course it is possible to have good friendships even if you are on the Autistic Spectrum. I’ve been married to my wife for 21 years now and we’re very happy… she is NT and I am Autistic. I have a good NT friend that I have known now for 7 years – he thinks higher of me than I think of myself.

Autistics are not necessarilly grouchy and gruff or difficult to get on with all of the time, though we have our moments just as much as NTs do. Yes, we can be blunt, but we should not go out of our way to be blunt and then excuse ourselves by our Autism. Autistics can also be known for loyalty.

I do not think your Asperger’s Syndrome is necessarilly your problem, Zach. On the other hand, one of your problems may be that you don’t know a good friend when you find one… and think you have found a good friend when all you’ve found is a person who says what you like to hear. A lot of people, NT and Autistic, fall into that trap.

Have you consider what you think it means to be a good friend. Perhaps you could list these attributes down in a future blog… and then consider those around you that might fit the criteria… and also consider if you yourself fit. You may very well do, but it is a useful excercise to do.

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2 Zach July 2, 2009 at 1:30 pm

@Noctivagus:

“On the other hand, one of your problems may be that you don’t know a good friend when you find one… and think you have found a good friend when all you’ve found is a person who says what you like to hear.”

One of my pastors kinda pointed out the same thing last night.

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3 Noctivagus July 2, 2009 at 2:27 pm

That Pastor and I must, of course, remember…

‘Great minds think alike…
And fools seldom differ.’ – lol.

Its just a thought I had. Just because a Pastor and I both brought it up, does not mean it is definitely the case. However, it is perhaps worth exploring :o )

In my post, I just tried to think up some things that may be worthwhile exploring further :o )

Friends and friendships certainly can be a quagmire of astounding stickiness for we Autistics. As with anything, we will all make mistakes… that’s life for any human being. The trick is in not giving up but perhaps trying a different approach.

4 Hoghuter July 2, 2009 at 7:48 pm

It’s not that I don’t want good friendships, it’s that I can’t stand to be around people. People place requirements on me that I can not meet. I plan on doing something and a friend shows up wanting to do something else. Aaarrrgh! A friend wants to talk to me about something he/she is interested in. Aaarrrgh! A friend and I have plans to do something and he/she shows up with two other people to come along. Aaarrrgh! A friend wants to get some ribs on a Tuesday night (pizza night). Aaarrrgh!

I do like watching House and agree that there is nothing wrong with him or his attitude. I also enjoy Sheldon from Big Bang Theory. Nothing wrong with him either. Both of these guys have friends, but the friendships are pretty much one-sided. Same with me. But I don’t blame the Normies for the fact that I have only one friend. It’s not their fault for the way I am. It’s my burden, not theirs…

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5 Shawn July 3, 2009 at 12:08 pm

I’ve always believed that self-examination is the key to making improvements to ourselves. It’s a hard process, especially when it’s difficult to pinpoint causes of problems. At the least it can provide some indication on some changes to make and then we can observe the impact of changes. If the changes don’t have the desired results, try something else. It’s all easy to say, but it takes a lot of work.

Interesting about House. I never realized it was stated in the show that he has Asperger’s. Some of the characteristics are obvious, but I didn’t know what the writer’s intent was in defining his character. They seem to go back and forth between focusing on the social traits and his addiction to painkillers. I find the show incredibly compelling. Maybe it’s because I see some of myself in his character.

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6 Zach July 3, 2009 at 12:55 pm

@Shawn:

Watch the episode “Lines in the sand”

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7 Asher July 24, 2009 at 3:28 pm

I am behind the eight ball on this one, eh? I stumbled across the blog and thought I would comment anyway, late though I may be.

I’m an Aspie, and I do have difficulties with friendships, though perhaps not the same ones as our dear Dr. House. I’m both inclined to be rather blunt (a good NT friend of mine once said I’m the only person she knows who could be described as ‘excessively honest,’ LOL) and to forget that most other people are more like each-other than they are like me. I’m a working adult (though I’ll be back in school to pursue an advanced degree soon), and I just figured out within the past year or so why some kids in my sixth grade class once asked me, “Why are you so stuck-up?”

They presumed I wouldn’t deign to speak to them; in truth, I just didn’t know how (for the record, I also assumed they were intentionally excluding me: maybe they weren’t?). I can also be a little prickly sometimes. Come to think of it, maybe I’m more like House than I thought.

For me, it boils down to context. Without a good sense of context, I just don’t know how to relate. The ‘TalkToStranger’ subroutine won’t run without some kind of trigger. Thus, at a convention of gamers, geeks, veterinarians, or horse people, I’ll probably be okay — there’s a context written in — but at a more general social gathering, like a party, I literally can’t figure out where to begin. I’m like a computer waiting for a user to come along and launch a program. I can’t, in those circumstances, initiate conversation on my own — not because I don’t want to, or can’t actually speak, but because I need someone to launch the damned software for me :)

If you don’t talk to people, you’re perceived as either shy or arrogant. I’m attractive and I stand up straight, so I get the latter anaylsis … okay, and I can be decidedly abrupty, stiff, and formal with strangers, which (especially when you sound like you grew up in New England prep schools, because you did) reads as arrogance to many people. It’s worst when people know me from somewhere like work — where there’s a strong sense of context, and I’m known to be a loquacious and opinionated leader — and encounter me in a purely social setting, where they think that my sudden silence means I A) don’t like them or B) am stuck up.

Over time, a given relationship evolves into its own context (or at least becomes comfortable enough that I can hang around with someone and neither of us feels obligated to say anything) — but even then, for me, it’s like software. If you don’t use your computer, the hardward might deteriorate, but the software doesn’t just tend to fall apart on its own. This makes me a less-than-ideal friend.

Thus, I might not think to launch the WriteToRobert subroutine unless something makes me think of him, which is unfortunate, because Robert is my best friend. That doesn’t mean my attachment to him deteriorates — nor do I feel slighted when he (another high-functioning Aspie) doesn’t write to me, or when we don’t talk for six months straight. The software remains. I continue to care about him whether we’re in communication or not, and he to care for me. When we pick up again, nothing has changed.

This is not the case for friendships with most NTs. Over the course of my life, a few have liked me enough to reciprocate in such a friendship, but the onus falls upon me, in this kind of case, to do what I can meet their needs (and I’m okay with that, as long as they can handle it when I need some space now and then). I used to feel that it fell upon them — then I realized that there are more of them than of me, and that while I’ve spent my whole life trying to figure out how to relate to the human race even a little, they’ve never had to think about it. Generally, if I leave it up to them, they won’t, because (lo and behold) they have no context. It doesn’t occur to them that I could need some kind of reminder to behave in some of the ways that they automatically expect of a friend.

The trouble for me is remembering A) that other people don’t really want blunt honesty (even when they say they do: you know, “Be honest: do these pants make my butt look big?”) and B) other people feel slighted if I ‘ignore’ them for half a year. As such, I’ve learned to be more politic (working helpdesk for about a year really helped me, there — also got me over my paralytic fear of telephones) and programmed a bunch of little reminder functions into my day-to-day routine (8:00 AM: arrive at work, check calendar –oh, look! Michelle’s birthday is coming up! Send her an e-Card!). This hasn’t really helped with the lack-of-context problem that makes it hard to meet new people, but it does help me maintain my existing friendships.

I do think Aspies and other people on the Autistic spectrum can have meaningful and fulfilling friendships — I think it’s a question of figuring out what our individual challenges are, and understanding that, while we can ask for accomodation in the world, we will usually have to explain how it needs to work, and will often have to implement it ourselves. Oh, and that people may understand intellectually without understanding viscerally: I explain to my friends that I have trouble talking on the phone (I still don’t entirely understand why, myself), but they still get confused about why, when a few hours ago we were gabbing away a mile a minute over coffee, I’m suddenly tongue-tied when they ring my cell.

It helps me to develop friendships with people who share similarly intense interests — horse people are universally obsessed with horses, for instance (there is no such thing as a casual equestrian, I am certain), so I can feel safe obsessively discussing horses with them. Mostly, they really don’t care if we never talk about anythign else at all. Geeks and computers likewise (and geeks and anime nearly so).

The greatest challenge for me is judging who will really be a good friend and who just wants to impose upon my good nature, since I tend to be a decent listener (or at least pretend to be) and to be generous with my resources (since I feel that if I don’t need all of something, there’s no reason not to share).

I also have absolutely no native ability to detect ulterior motives. Instead, I’ve learned to watch for cues that indicate someone isn’t being entirely straight with me (the problem being that they vary so broadly from person to person: anyone who tells you ‘nose-scratching indicates a liar’ has never, for example, suffered from allergies). I’m better at this than I used to be, but still not good enough at it to feel confident that I won’t be taken for a ride by someone pretending to be a friend.

Perhaps more importantly, I haven’t yet learned to reliably discern what people really want from me: sometimes, what I mean by ‘friend’ won’t be the same as what you mean, and your meaning might be different than a third party’s.

Thus, if what someone wants is simply a person to pal around and work out with, I am likely to overstep that bound and assume it’s okay to kvetch about this thing that’s irritating me at work, or something similar (lately, I’ve learned to err on the side of caution, most of the time). I’ve learned that other people have multiple levels of what they call ‘friendship,’ while to me, a friend is someone who has my back, and I have his (or hers). Anything less, and (to me at least) you’re not a friend — just an acquaintance. Of course, I’ve also learned not to say stuff like that sometimes, because it offends people, and sometimes prevents and acquaintance who might’ve been a friend from becoming one :)

I think the challenge for many of us is in learning, to some extent, to fake our way through the opening act, when the ability to appear understand the extremely subtle ways that NTs communicate (at which most of us Aspies are hopeless) is essential. At this point in my life, I do this by playing hard-to-get, to some extent: I let people come to me, so to speak. Before I cross the boundary of revealing my inner thoughts and feelings to potential friends, I wait for them to reveal theirs to me. Unfortunately, I suspect, this prevents certain people who might otherwise become good friends from doing so, because they take my reticence for lack of feeling, or assume (reasonably, as far as they’re concerned, likely based on earlier experiences) that I’m not interested.

Ironically, all this serves me extremely well in one area: I’m gay, and the gay community is obsessively social. A lot of drama goes along with all that frenetic sociality. I manage to avoid all that by being uninterested in socializing for its own sake. My quietness makes me seem unique and mysterious, which some guys find attractive — though I suspect most would find me utterly uninteresting if I ever responded to their overtures.

That’s one more important lesson: as a general rule, my experience has dictated to me that we Aspies aren’t big on wanting what we don’t have, while NTs are. Blonds want to be dark, short people want to be tall, muscular people want to be lean. The Aspies I know all tend to be more content with things as they are, and less motivated by the desire for acquisition of that which eludes them, than the NTs I know. The challenge in friendship is learning to harness this sort of native contentment, rather than allowing it to become the seed of jealousy (another thing from which most Aspies don’t seem to suffer much).

I don’t know if this will be at all useful, but it boils my experience down in as small a nutshell as possible (okay, so it’s really a pretty big nutshell).

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8 Samantha Moore June 2, 2011 at 10:41 pm

Great reply. Thank you so much for taking the time to write it. It was like you spoke my mind and experiences.

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9 Anonymous March 8, 2010 at 11:16 pm

I am exactly in the same shoes/hole as you are. I am recognizing how my problems make it difficult to have any friends, but I think it is possible for people with Asperger’s to have friends. We just need an Aspie to NT dictionary/instruction manual. NTs for Dummies or something.

That was me trying to be funny btw. Sorry if it was rude instead. I have recently become aware that when I try to use humor it often misses the mark and comes off as obnoxious.

I spend a lot of time obsessing about why people say or do certain things in reaction to me and what I did that caused them to be rude to me when I just met them. I’ve realized that I have usually missed several necessary social cues and insulted them without meaning to. However, nobody ever tells me what those cues were, so while I’m now aware that I do miss social cues and offend people, I am still unsure exactly what I do wrong, and so no progress is made.

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10 Sally November 21, 2010 at 8:19 am

Schizoid – a person who intentionally & voluntarily rejects social interaction
Aspergers – a person having a hard time relating to peers, being in social situations, may sometimes tend to choose to isolate self from society only when the person is having an overload or getting tired being around peers & social places.

I was diagnosed Schizoid but I never believed myself to be one because I was still having questions about myself, like why am I different, weird, eccentric, unique & people call me special? Why is it always so hard to be around people? They say I CAN CHANGE; though I have improved when it comes to being with the society, why am I still having trouble? Why am I getting tired to be with people most of the times?

In the social world, the skills don’t come naturally to me. I also mimic people just to be able to fit in. I often wonder how come I’m being called a narcissist & rude when I am just trying to be “normal” or “like everybody else”. Is there even such a thing as “person factor” that when people are already used to this person, they don’t mind his self, but when I (who’s just learning to get out from my cage and known to be quiet & aloof) tries to be like them and my actions are new to them, seems like they don’t like me at all? I also skip from one group of friends to another. Therefore, I may have a lot of friends but few close friends. I just have to be with people & it has become a routine because I was taught that being with people could help me, from depression especially. And the people I am most with are just churchmates, so everybody are friends with everybody. However, the bad thing with have a lot of groups of friends is that I DON’T KNOW WHERE TO REALLY BELONG.

I have a lot of such questions until I know Schizoid has similar characteristics with Aspergers. I read about Aspergers & every question I have connects with Aspergers. I was relieved. I talked to my Doctor about Aspergers but he disagreed with me, he said Aspergers are retarded. At first, I thought he might have mistaken it with Autism, but nope. Aspergers are retarded, he said. So I am an unconfirmed or a suspected Aspie. I haven’t met my doctor since then.

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11 i88 May 15, 2011 at 10:44 pm

As someone with Aspergers, I have a similar problem, but in a reverse affect. I too have learned to adapt my behaviors to those around me but I don’t desire friends and I am unnaturally comfortable with intense isolation. People are drawn to me only because I’ve learned to act like them. The hardest part for me is relating to people with a lot of emotion over small things like dances or boyfriends, because I can only give by the book advice or dead pan opinion, often resulting in hurt feelings.

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12 ColonelSanity June 10, 2011 at 8:12 am

I have one friend who I see only twice a year, somewhere around his birthday and mine. He likes our thoughtful conversations, but not enough to do it more often. I have really tried to maintain relationships of all kinds with many different people, and I can tell you not to sweat it. If people dislike you, then that is truly their problem. I’m 47 and if there’s any message I would give my younger self, it’s that you will never make friends with neurotypical people. Watch them! Keep them at bay! They are capable of horrible actions and asinine judgements. Take a lesson from Einstein and make your peace with solitude. The time spent alone will afford you the depth of thought that cannot be found in any conversation anywhere, regardless of the pedigrees present. It is a richer life, and one that the pleasant, chattering, happy dingbats can never hope to imagine.

Loneliness is always a problem for everyone. For me, it’s enough to see my one friend every once in a while. Also, I find the company of other aspies surprisingly agreeable when they know enough to work at being good company, as I do. Aspies should spend more time finding and socializing with each other.

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13 Mim January 31, 2012 at 2:59 am

One of my closest friends in high school and through College has Aspergers, and while most thought of her as obsessive and very self obsessed, I have always thought of her as just who she is, dragging her out with me on little excursions and walks on the beach, cause I like to hang out even if it is at her house or on her terms.
A little over a year ago, she was “officially” diagnosed with aspergers, and suddenly she just started avoiding me and any attempt of making her go out with me or to do anything was met with extreme reluctance, because she “didn’t like surprises or things that were not planned ahead” or similar excuses, things that had never been a problem before.
I feel like a terrible person, because after six or so months of trying, I just felt so unappreciated and that my friendship didn’t matter to her as much as it did to me. It was so emotionally exhausting, I just stopped contacting her. Yet, on Facebook, she would comment like nothing happened, nothing had changed to her.
I don’t know if I should continue trying to be friends by somehow changing my approach to her or if this is her standoffish way of saying she doesn’t want to be friends?

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