I was chatting with a ‘friend’ – or someone that I thought was one about some of my issues with Autism Speaks a while back and she made some horrific comments on IM. This has been on my personal blog for quite some time now. After kinda wrestling with it I want to post it here. Read more to see the IM log.
[23:53] Them: have there been higher rates of autism and aspergers occuring/being diagosed in america in the past few years?
[23:54] Me: yes
[23:54] Me: but that has nothing to do with them calling autistic people a disaster of epedemic proporations
[23:55] Me: thats just like saying your a disaster because of your seizures
[23:55] Them: no.
[23:55] Them: listen
[23:55] Them: so there have been noticibly increased rates
[23:55] Them: if there were a sudden outbreak of bird flu, unlike any other recorded in history
[23:55] Them: would you consider it an epidemic?
[23:55] Me: the flu is a contangen that is harmful to life
[23:55] Me: Autism is not
[23:56] Me: if you go by that standard then red heads are an epedemic
[23:56] Me: as well as brown haired people
[23:57] Them: no
[23:57] Them: because there have been the same amount of those colored hair people throughout history.
[23:57] Them: we can take another genetic disease, i dont care.
[23:57] Them: cerebal palsy
[23:58] Them: if suddently the percentage of children born with cerebal palsy shot through the roof
[23:58] Me: Autism is not a disease
[23:58] Them: it would be called an epidemic
[23:58] Them: fine. condition.
[23:58] Me: but your nitpicking on the word epedemic
[23:58] Me: which is beyond the point, but I enjoy a good debate
[23:59] Them: i’m just trying to point out to you that its not insulting to call something an epidemic
[23:59] Me: it is insulting to call it a disaster
[00:00] Them: do you not think that millions of people going through a severe brain disorder is not a disaster?
[00:00] Them: it’s certainly something awful for the people involved, parents, families, etc.
[00:01] Me: well if Autism Speaks has there way if I was born a few years down the road my mother would be encouraged to abort me
[00:01] Me: they have already nailed part of the spectrum on that
[00:02] Them: would you really want to bring a child into this life who would have to live with autism?
[00:02] Them: knowing what you know now
[00:02] Them: if you had the choice to spare someone a difficult life, would you?
[00:03] Me: No, I would not abort a child because I knew they would be autistic
[00:03] Them: would you abort a child if you knew they were going to be severely physically deformed?
[00:04] Them: sickly for their whole life?
[00:04] Me: No
[00:04] Me: But you are comparing apples and oragnes
[00:04] Them: not at all
[00:04] Me: Autistic people are not sickly there whole life
[00:04] Them: look
[00:04] Them: autism/aspergers no DOUBT causes some distress
[00:05] Them: if not a lot of discomfort, problems, upset
[00:05] Them: if people are morally okay with aborting a child to prevent a life of discomfort, pain, upset
[00:05] Them: that’s likely the reasoning behind it
[00:07] Me: So if you were going to have a kid on the Autism Spectrum – would you abort it?
[00:07] Them: i dont know
[00:07] Them: depends
[00:08] Me: on what does it depend?
[00:09] Them: how far along my pregnancy is, how the father feels, etc
[00:10] Me: so you view me as a lesser life form then you?
[00:10] Them: yes. thats precisely what i’m saying.
[00:11] Me: what makes me a lesser life form then you?
[00:11] Them: i was being sarcastic.
[00:12] Me: then I’m still waiting for an answer
[00:13] Them: no! God, of COURSE not. how can you even think that?
[00:13] Them: if i really thought that, would i even engage in conversation with you?
[00:14] Me: then I hate to be harsh, but you just said that if you were pregnant with a child and you knew it was on the Autism Spectrum you would seriously consider aborting it
[00:14] Them: BECAUSE I WOULD BE COMPASSIONATE
[00:14] Them: jesus christ, zach!
[00:14] Them: i just went over the fact that i would if my child had cerebal palsy
[00:14] Them: to AVOID the pain and discomfort.
[00:15] Them: to spare a life of hardship
[00:15] Me: so you would consider aborting someone like me?
[00:15] Them: i’m not having this conversation anymore.
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Alot of people with aspergers, even mild autism, go through life without problem, just look at Einstein, that person who won the nobel prize in Economics, etc.
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That girl is a bitch…seriously.
Most people with aspergers/Autism can be helped.
It’s not like being terminally ill.
And from her logic, you could abort ALL babies, because all children cause parents varying degrees of distress, pain, etc.
Kudos on standing up for yourself.
And having the self esteem to see this bitch isn’t your friend.
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Oh, and “Sadderbutwisergirl”:
those god-damn liberals
Listen to Rush Limbaugh much?
that don’t consider babies in the womb to be human, even though they are living and growing.
Oh, they’re human. But they’re not persons. A brain tumor is made of human tissue and it grows, but I have a right to remove it — just as I have a right to remove a uterine parasite, which is how I would consider a fetus.
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This childfree undiagnosed Aspie believes that if a pregnant woman wants to abort her pregnancy for whatever reason, that’s her right.
(You don’t abort a “child.” You don’t even abort a fetus, which is the proper term. You abort a pregnancy.)
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*Pats goddessoflubbock on the back* Nice comment. The last two sentences were the best-written ones. Adolf Hitler had similar thoughts, as I have already pointed out. I am happy that you accept your child for who he is instead of giving in to those people offering sympathy for your having him. I have to put up with similar crap about my siblings every day. I am happy that you aren’t a curebie. As an autistic on the spectrum, I need less of those, but I must put up with them every single day! My life may be full of suffering, but that is induced by the curebies. Second request to future commentators: Please call that person Zach was talking to the Nazi bitch!
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I can’t imagine you’d want to continue conversing with this person. I am the mother of a child with Asperger’s. I’ve had people (whom I previously regarding as relatively intelligent) pat me on the shoulder and tell me how sorry they are, what a shame it is they couldn’t test for that before he was born, etc. My son is my pride and joy, and I wouldn’t change a single thing about his life. Life is unpredictable He was the baby we were told we’d never have. My oldest suffered a severe head injury at 9 leading to lifelong seizures and was later dx’d as bipolar. My second child was dx’d at 17 with terminal kidney disease. There are no guarantees in life, you just have to roll with the punches. If you can only love someone or want someone who is perfect, you are living a delusion. A dangerous one.
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Good for you, Zach for standing up for yourself. I am personally offended that that bitch said that it’s better for autistics to die than to live lives different than hers. In that respect, she and Hitler aren’t so different. Hitler is already a person to be hated because he killed a whole bunch of Jews, homosexuals, and a whole bunch of religious groups. Also, he did it to people after they were out of the womb, which is unacceptable to anyone. The Nazi bitch, however, just spews her hate speeches on the Internet and what she is speaking of is killing babies before they’re even born, which is more palatable to those god-damn liberals that don’t consider babies in the womb to be human, even though they are living and growing. I have some requests to make. Zach, tell that bitch that you don’t consider her your friend anymore. Future commentators, please refer to Zach’s ‘friend’ as the Nazi bitch from now on ’cause that’s what she is.
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